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Sunday, May 31, 2009

Wind, Fire, Water, Molten Ore -- blowing, consuming, satiating, purifying

I considered this blog might have been as easily called "Earth, Wind and Fire" and still be about this theme of "holy spirit" that has probably launched a thousand ships, and fanned the flames of war, for centuries, among Christians, so-called.

The other month, I returned from a seminar called "Working the Word," run by (the now Rev.) Jon O. Nessle, whose life and wife, I used to know years ago, in Chicago -- because I lived with them.  

Before the full-scale "background," let me share the verse that prompted this blog, which is what I saw when I "deleted" a theological insertion I'd known about for years.  But, having recently come from  a variety of churches in which the basics of receiving this gift of holy spirit are NOT taught, nor is the manifestation of them generally welcome -- resulting in more dependent populations than I think Jesus Christ ever would've intended --   it sank home, that the Bible speaks of holy spirit in several terms, none of which resembles the "communal behavioral modification as evidence of presence" which I have come to see, at least locally.

Please accept this is a blog in process, imperfect, but I will work towards the straightforward format envisioned from its start:  

  • CENTER:  POSTS -- presenting More scripture, Less commentary.
  • SIDE:  Narrative -- personally narration, hopefuly with a sense of humor and irreverence
  • LINKS & other Gadges -- books and background I have read, to keep us all aware that for large parts of this present earth population, the lands and struggles and themes and politics of the religions of this book ARE duking it out globally, and quite likely may produce an Armageddon, whether of the kind described in Revelation, or of the product of human nature itself, and it is of primary importance to understand this Book, as well as of to some extent, how other institutions view it.
  • Even today, being aware of one site that claims The "Beast" of Revelation is Rome / Catholicism, another one claims ("The Beast from the Mideast") is Islam.  
  • I think perspective from NON-theologians on these things are likely to be more interesting, and possibly accurate, that the preachers and doctrinalists.  I am interested in so many aspects -- history of the texts, canonization, evolution of doctrines -- I just like to read.  
  • I have experienced -- not like Tyndale, or others who sacrificed their own blood to translate, or affirm, their faith -- but within the Western culture, the heavy butt-kick of oppression based on dogma, in my own life.  I have also had to note how poorly any institutionalized form of religion (including the "home-based fellowship" style) had the spiritual moxy or balls to confront that oppression within its own ranks.  Yet, for personal reasons, I have no intention of denying "Christ" (which points to the anointing, linguistically), as I cannot deny my own "witness within" which has been there for my entire adult life, and is so simply as to be insulting to the theologians, who typically miss it.  
  • I have of recent come to the conclusion that this not-telling is thematic of the profession.  Like teaching to read, it's NOT the hardest thing in the book, where motivation exists to learn.  Making it hard is good business.  Making it simple, though in parables, is a sign of the Master Teacher, who was not for hire, and in fact it says was offered the world in exchange for worship (of the devil), shortly after his own "anointing."
I ramble.  However, here is a start . . .. 


In the KJV (King James Version) of the Bible, I John 5.  

If you are not yet familiar with I John, there is a lot of repetition, and it sounds almost liturgical, sing-song almost.  That's OK, and not the point here:

 I will give you 8 verses for a running start, but am only referring to what happened to verses 7 & 8 in translation.


<< 1 John 5 >>
King James Bible with Strong's Numbers
 

1

5 Who is he that overcometh the world but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God 6 This is he that came by water and blood even Jesus Christ not by water only but by water and blood And it is the Spirit that beareth witness because the Spirit is truth 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost and these threeare one 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth the Spirit and the water and the blood and these three agree in one 9 If we receive the witness of men the witness of God is greater for this is the witness of God which he hath testifiedof his Son 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself he that believeth not God hath made him a liar because he believeth not __ the record that God gave of his Son 11 And this is the record that God hath given to useternal life and this life is in his Son 12 He that hath the Son hath life and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life...  (etc.)

During translations, a well-known (extended) Trinitarian insertion appears here, theologically motivated. I'm told that this was hotly debated at the time (and since).  it's a creation of religion, close to Eve's addition of "neither shall ye touch it" to God's original "thou shalt not eat of it," and seems typical of man gunking up something perfectly reasonable by adding stipulations and qualifications to it and extra conditions to it -- such as, one version in heaven, and a different on earth.  By contrast, the "Lord's prayer," after "Hallowed be thy name" begins, "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven," implying a unity, not a discrepancy.

The church these days, is missing this, and I think they are missing it quite simply because the basics of Bible are simply being over-interpreted, resulting in non-reading.  


Delete the insertion above and the disclaimers "in heaven" and "on earth," and what do you have?

"7 For there are three that bear record the Spirit and the water and the blood and these three agree in one"

Next question, what quality do all 3 share in common?   Answer, to me seems obvious:  They are all "liquid."
Spirit, water, blood.

Now if you were raised in the church and became "Christian" under significant indoctrination of the typical sort, you very likely were told that the Holy Spirt is 1/3 of a triangle called the Trinity, and as such has to be called down (from heaven) during worship, with such aids as music, proper mood, and so forth.  This is not what I see in scripture -- it is absolutely clear (to my non-indoctrinated mind, which has been inhaling and studying and attempting to live by, the Bible for about 35 years now, and not under one teaching only.  As a musician, that's simply too limiting, and as a person.  I prefer the other perspectives, mixed with LOTS of observation.

I see the image and references to "Holy Spirit" (which FYI, is in Greek two words, one of which relates to BREATH, or WIND  and the other simply to HOLY) referred to in metaphors of pouring and being washed (baptized) in.  

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In this blog, I will simply show this from the Bible.  The Bible posted will typically be "Strong's KJV" because, on-line, this version allows you to click on any single word, and be taken immediately to which Greek (or I suppose Hebrew) word it is, and from there compare usage of similar words in the Bible.  This is where the tapestry, and expert weaving, of the scriptures comes to light.  I have for years done word studies via the hardcopy Concordance, Lexicon, Interlinear, and a great process it was.  Then for years, I lost interest in HEARING a sermon, having rather to see one at the time.  I was a mother, and a single divorcing mother during some of these years, as well as rotating through a series of profession and jobs both in and outside of marriage.  I have, not all by choice, been through a very WIDE sampling of some major US institutions (government and nonprofit, and NO, so far, not prison), as well as by virtue of being a pianist/singer, lots of churches too.  Not til recently did I take an ongoing mercenary post in one, which was a move from an urgent need for predictable income.  That worked out quite well, and is now over with.  

Added to this, my father was a research metallurgist, I have always respected the questions "Why?" and "Says Who?" and acted on them.  As well as the "Prove it!"  My mother was a technical librarian, but I do not see the curiosity in her soul:  Maybe it's inherited, I don't really know.  

Moreover, of recent, I've had more exposure than even during the marriage to the "women should be seen, not heard, except serving cookies" version of nondenominational academically correct theology, which basically was an open invite to speak up, and blog too.  No one asked me, therefore I seek opportunity to do so.  Because the current stumbling and bumbling and pingponging around of scripture doesn't cut the mustard.  It interrupts the flow of the thing

It will take me time also to get in the groove of posting on-line what was working in my soul off-line.  I hope you will not walk away thirsty, because, as Jesus said in John 7, water IS available and will be within those who believe on him, a well, springing up into eternal life.  This is not the trickle-down method, or the start and stop (Isaiah 28/29) discipleship, but an integration of Bible, spirit, and a certain flow that will sustain understanding and action -- and from day to day.  Hopefully enough to overflow into manifestation and declaration.  Daily. 

And that pace, dynamic, and flow, is where life really is.





Monday, April 27, 2009

It's like liquid, Dude..., (a.k.a. are you drunk, or what?)

Earth, Wind & Fire, & Water

My father was a metallurgist.  His contribution to the information age was a process called "zone melting," and made possible a level of purity hitherto unheard of, in an ingot of germanium.  How this relates to you can be read about elsewhere in a book called "Crystal Fire, the Birth of the Information Age."  The degree of purity was described as a few grains of salt in a few freight cars of sugar (i'll post the quote one of these days).  

Most of our lives are nowhere near that dedicated or pure, nor was his (outside of work).  However, having gone through in the last few decades a degree of personal "heat' unheard of, or unanticipated, it finally dawned on me that this shake-up, or molten zone in my life was exposing what I'm made of, and like that "zone melting," clearing out spiritual junk, and what passes the test, will remain.  How odd that much of this junk came from the religious arena of life, as well as personal attachments and associations, little "idols" or precepts about how the world is, and works.  

Only recently did it dawn on me that the Lord is also described as a metallurgist, in the scriptures!


LIKENED to  LIQUID

Acts 2, quoting Joel 3, Psalm 16, and Psalm 116.

14 But Peter standing up with the eleven lifted up his voice and said unto them Ye men of Judaea and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem be this known unto you and hearken to my words 15 For these are not drunken as ye suppose seeing it is but the third hour of the day 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days saith God I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh and your sons andyour daughters shall prophesy and your young men shall see visions and your old men shall dream dreams

18 And __ on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit and they shall prophesy

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above and signs in the earth beneath blood and fire and vapour of smoke

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before __ that great and notable day of the Lordcome

21 And it shall come to pass that whosoever __ __ shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved

22 Ye men of Israel hear these words Jesus of Nazareth a man approved of God among you by miracles andwonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you as ye yourselves also know 23 Him being deliveredby the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God ye have taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain 24 Whom God hath raised up having loosed the pains of death because it was not possible that he should be holden of it

25 For David speaketh concerning him I foresaw the Lord always __ before my face for he is on my right handthat I should not be moved

26 Therefore __ did my heart rejoice and my tongue was glad moreover __ also my flesh shall rest in hope

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance

29 Men and brethren let me freely __ speak unto you of the patriarch David that he is both dead and buried andhis sepulchre is with us unto this day 30 Therefore being a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oathto him that of the fruit of his loins according to the flesh he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ that his soul was not left in hell neither his flesh did see corruption32 This Jesus hath God raised up whereof we all are witnesses 33 Therefore being by the right hand of Godexalted and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost he hath shed forth this which ye nowsee and hear

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens but he saith himself The LORD said unto my Lord Sit thou on myright hand

35 Until I make __ thy foes thy footstool __ 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God hath made that same Jesus whom ye have crucified both Lord and Christ.


Comments:  The above text is "KJS" meaning, "King James Strongs."  In hyperlink terms, that means you can click on any of the above words, and be brought to the Greek word (in critical text used) from which it was translated.  Please click on the word for "poured" and "shed forth."

Are you talking about a point in a triangle, here, or liquid?

Here are other references:





<< John 4 >>
King James Bible with Strong's Numbers
 

1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples thanJohn 2 Though Jesus himself baptized not but his disciples 3 He left Judaea and departed again into Galilee4 And he must needs go through Samaria 5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria which is called Sychar near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph 6 Now Jacob's well was there Jesus therefore being wearied with his journey sat ">thus on the well and it was about the sixth hour

7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water Jesus saith unto her Give me to drink 8 For his discipleswere gone away unto the city to buy meat 9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him How is it that thou being a Jew askest drink of me which am a woman of Samaria for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans10 Jesus answered and said unto her If thou knewest the gift of God and who it is that saith to thee Give me to drink thou wouldest have asked of him and he would have given thee living water 11 The woman saith unto himSir thou hast nothing to draw with and the well is deep from whence then hast thou that living water 12  Art thougreater than our father Jacob which gave us the well and drank thereof __ himself and his children and his cattle13 Jesus answered and said unto her Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again 14 But whosoever __drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never __ __ thirst but the water that I shall give him shall be in hima well of water springing up into everlasting life

15 The woman saith unto him Sir give me this water that I thirst not neither come hither to draw 

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and later in the same chapter, once she perceived that he was a prophet ("first, get their attention," right?  any teacher knows this, and so, I believe, does God.)her THIRST was to know about worship.  In current terms, Western style, this would be, which church do you belong to, which denomination are you, what's your faith, etc.  Still relevant today:  WHERE do we worship?  (good question, for a Samaritan, and a current political/spiritual divide between these two groups).  First of all, he didn't answer directly.  He established his authority.  Then answered her thirst for righteousness and true worship.  So, consider the answer: 

16 Jesus saith unto her Go call thy husband and come hither 17 The woman answered and said I have no husband Jesus saidunto her Thou hast well said I have no husband 18 For thou hast had five husbands and he whom thou now hastis not thy husband in that saidst thou truly 19 The woman saith unto him Sir I perceive that thou art a prophet20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain and ye say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship 21 Jesus saith unto her Woman believe me the hour cometh __ when ye shall neither in this mountainnor yet at Jerusalem worship the Father 22 Ye worship ye know not what we know what we worship for salvationis of the Jews 23 But the hour cometh and now is when the true. worshippers shall worship the Father in spiritand in truth for __ the Father seeketh such to worship him 24 God is a Spirit and they that worship him mustworship him in spirit and in truth 25 The woman saith unto him I know that Messias cometh which is called Christwhen he is come he will tell us all things 26 Jesus saith unto her I that speak unto thee am he.

And here, in John 7, do you see the WATER in this?

37  In the last day that great day of the feast Jesus stood and cried saying If any man thirst let him come unto meand drink 38 He that believeth on me as the scripture hath said out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water 39 But this spake he of the Spirit which they that believe on him should receive for the Holy Ghost was not yetgiven because that Jesus was not yet glorified.

Well, friends, in Acts 2, we see Jesus declared as glorified, and that outpouring happened.  While I am not going to pin down this gift of the spirit as ONLY "liquid" or "only" wind, or "only fire" (it has been compared to all of those), I will say for sure that neither the old testament nor the new testament speak of it as what I hear nowadays, 1/3rd of a trinity sitting 


Let's take a look at some other places that have a wet connotation:

up in heaven, and to be worshipped, and only present when called down by enough, and proper, singing, praise and so forth.


If you click on "shed abroad":

1632. ekcheo ( ek-kheh'-o,)

gush forth, pour out, shed, spill


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